So I had this Twitter conversation about the danger of sleepovers…

The conversation started with a tweet from Salli Richardson.

Salli Richardson tweeted:
NO SLEEP OVERS Mothers take care of your children. You don’t know what is going on in other peoples homes. My children are safe with me.
For those who don’t know, here’s Salli Richardson’s bio on Twitter:
Salli Richardson-Whitfield has appeared in over 20 major motion pictures including I Am Legend with Will Smith and Antwone Fisher with Denzel Washington.

Some of you may also know her from the TV show Eureka.

I couldn’t help myself and I had to respond.

Steve Crooks (tweeting as @drthunder) tweeted:
@sallirichardson Too overprotective and kids never learn to deal with life. Wouldn’t other kids be safe sleeping over at YOUR house?
I don’t really have a bio up on Twitter, but basically I’m your average guy with 4 kids (2, 4, 14, and 18) and a wife who I’m happy to say gets to be my kids’ stay-at-home mom.

Things just spiraled up at this point. Here’s the conversation:

Salli Richardson tweeted:
@drthunder somethings in life they don’t need to deal with.
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@sallirichardson And kids eventually grow into adults and then do need to know how to deal with things. Best they start on easy stuff early.
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@sallirichardson There are houses I wouldn’t send my kids to, but plenty I would with no problem. Sleepovers are great kid fun & memories.
At this point Dondré Whitfield joined in. His bio on Twitter:
One of the most genuine cats you’d ever want to meet. Really good actor, really good husband, really good Dad, really good athlete…Really Great Man!

He’s also Salli Richardson’s husband.

Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder @sallirichardson did u really say “easy stuff”? woww ask all da lil girls & lil boys who’ve been molested how “easy” it was.
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@DondreWhitfield @sallirichardson Oh my goodness! Are you telling me you have no friends you trust to not molest your kids? Seriously?
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder @sallirichardson when ur dat young u don’t know how to question authority w/o feeling like ur going to be in trouble for doing so
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@DondreWhitfield @sallirichardson So no friends you trust not to molest? That’s a real shame. My 4 kids-2, 4, 14, & 18 have all been fine.
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder @sallirichardson molesters are not ‘the boogey man”! they’re the people you know and TRUST! dats how they get close enuf 2 do it!
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder @sallirichardson wut u dont understand is da people who molest are da people kids trust! & kids RARELY tell when they’re molested
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@DondreWhitfield @sallirichardsonWow, I pity your kids. Do you keep them locked inside all day? Have you heard of “helicopter parenting”?
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder u don’t have 2 pity my kids. They live a great life under REAL parental supervision. If u want 2 pity sum1, pity da victims
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@DondreWhitfield @sallirichardson We’ll have to disagree on this. I don’t want my kids to grow up thinking no one can ever be trusted.
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder @sallirichardson from one parent to another…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse… the statistics don’t lie man
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder @sallirichardson I pray u never have 2 find out years from now dat 1 of ur kids was treated dat way. it happens more than u know
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder my kids don’t think that either. But they won’t be expected to decipher that at 6 yrs old. That’s not smart. At all…
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@DondreWhitfield @sallirichardson http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_parent
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder @sallirichardson ur only proving ur ignorance on dis subject. hope ur kids dont get hurt bcuz their Dad is living in fantasy land
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@DondreWhitfield @sallirichardson Again: do you have NO friends or family you trust with your kids? If not, do they know that?
Dondré Whitfield tweeted:
@drthunder @sallirichardson 4 da last time YES we do. But are TOTALLY missing the point. Those are da places it happens in! HELLO!
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@DondreWhitfield @sallirichardson But that makes no sense. You DO trust them, but you DON’T trust them??? I don’t understand that.
Steve Crooks tweeted:
@DondreWhitfield @sallirichardson I’m not advocating sending the kids overnight with weird Uncle Harry with his mysterious night job.
Okay… It’s kind of hard to do a conversation like this on Twitter. I decided to copy all this here and do a slightly more in depth response. Dondré or Salli are free to comment on this post if they like, or we can just leave things here as they are. I think I came off as more abrasive than I intended in my twitter chat, and I apologize for that. It’s hard to carry on a conversation 140 characters at a time.

First of all, if you aren’t hurting your kids in some way, parent as you like, by all means. No, I don’t think keeping your kids from doing sleepovers is “hurting” them. Depriving them of some fun, yes, but that’s much different. I think it also teaches them some things about the world that are potentially problematic, but that’s a personal view that I certainly don’t want to force on you. My goal here wasn’t to call shame on you, I just wanted to get you, and perhaps others reading those tweets, to think about things a bit more. And I’m sure that was also your intent with me. Touché.

I get the sense that you and your wife are good parents who love your children. My personal feeling at this point is that you’re overprotective, but they’re your kids and your parenting style is up to you.

My response can really be summed up with what I kept trying to emphasize: Are there really no people you trust to leave your kids with overnight? At one point you say yes, you do, but then you turn right around and say that’s where the molestation will occur. This seems completely contradictory and I totally don’t understand it. Either you trust them or you don’t. It sounds to me like you want to claim trust but deep down you really don’t.

Do you ever leave your kids with a nanny or babysitter? How is this different? To me, that’s more problematic (although certainly not to the point where I wouldn’t do it). What’s the reason to trust those people more than your family or close friends? You keep going back to the molesters always being the people you trust the most. I’m sure that doesn’t mean that you would leave your kids with a bum on the street because he’s totally untrustworthy and thus wouldn’t harm a child. Where’s the middle ground?

I believe the risk involved with letting my kids do an overnight at a place that I’ve vetted because I know the parents and kids there well enough are very minimal. Sure, they aren’t zero. But there is nothing in life that puts risk at zero. On the flip side, the chance that my kids will learn how to be more independent, will learn to face their fears about sleeping outside their normal space, will learn the need to behave well at others’ houses, will have plenty of fun with their friends—these far outweigh the extremely minimal risk of something negative happening.

I have friends and family I would trust with my kids as much as they can trust me with their kids (if they have any). In fact, I know several of them would go to extraordinary lengths to protect my kids from all harm. I have no doubt of it. Yes, the thought that any of them would molest my kids is inconceivable. I can hear you saying, “You’re living in a fantasy land and you’re ignorant and it’s those people who are going to be the problem.” Well, I’m not buying that. Shame on me, perhaps, but I think not. I’ll take those odds any day and let my kids soak in an atmosphere of trust. I believe it’ll pay off. Mom, Dad, Jill, Dave, Chris and others are welcome to have my kids sleep over at their place any time they want.

There is a strong element in our society of overprotecting kids these days. I’m not the only one to say this. The time we live in is safer than any other time in the history of mankind. But in this country we’ve also built up a bit of hysteria about keeping our kids safe from any and all harm. I recently read the short book Beware Dangerism! by Gever Tulley. In it he talks about these same topics and points out that many kids these days don’t own their own knife until they live on their own after college, and how some parents have even started going to their kids’ job interviews! We are currently living in a lawsuit driven, overprotective world where things are getting out of hand and kids are not learning how to take care of themselves the way we used to. I fear what our society may look like in 20 years, but have hope that we’ll overcome this.

Some may read this and take it to the other extreme. No, I’m not saying that you hand the kid a knife at age 3 and send him over to Crazy Uncle George’s for the weekend to fend for himself. Of course not. But evaluating real risk is important. Just as it’s important to give your kid reasonable chances to learn on his own to evaluate risk so he can learn to become a functioning adult. We don’t hesitate to put our kids in the car for a drive—the most dangerous thing by far we commonly do with our kids—but we get jittery about a sleepover with the kids’ of our good and trusted friends and family? This, to me, is irrational.

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The Lincoln-Douglas debates really could have been spiced up had Twitter existed in the 19th century.

@abelincoln: “LOL u are slippery like the sepia cloud of a cuttlefish”
@theSenatorDouglas: “wat?”

The Last Psychiatrist has a related take on this topic—while not directly on helicopter parenting, he does talk about the need that parents have to publicly demonstrate their worth using their kids as proxies, and how the media feeds the predator fear as a means of getting people to turn over more power to the state. Can’t put the link in to the post, but you can find it. Here’s a relevant clip:

First, because in America you NEVER yell at another person’s kid— or praise them, or hug them, or ask them what their favorite Harry Potter movie is; every adult-child interaction is immediately interpreted on a continuum of pedophilia or abuse. (Why are we so worried about child abuse nowadays? Because the truth is deliberately obfuscated. CNN will tell you how many pedophile priests there are, but not emphasize that they molested 20+ years ago, and that the incidence of priest-abusers now is tiny. Nor do they let on that they know that the person who molested you almost certainly has the same last name as you, BORING, here’s a modified narrative about a girl we’ll call Elizabeth Smart. See? It was a crazy person, and they’re everywhere. The state encourages the media promotion of boogeymen— in the 1970s serial killers, today pedophiles and etc— because it makes the populace demand increased state control in their private lives, which is the precisely the natural single goal of any state. The state and the media effect this encouragement by pretending not to know of the boogeyman’s nonexistence. Says a Congressman: “you mean there’s an epidemic of baby rapers out there? Wait— did you say rapers or rappers? The hell you say! Elect me, I’ll make sure we buy thousands of cameras from my supporters at Nikon to monitor our streets, we’re going to need tech support so let’s bring in Google….” None of this is consciously planned in advance, it doesn’t have to be, it is in the nature of things: individual selfishness always finds a way, and that way leads to indoor recess for all of us.)

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Good job Steven. You certainly thought it through and stated many true and valuable points. Being a parent in 2011 is so much harder than it was in 1966 when you were born. We just didn’t have to worry about so many “bad” people. We were much more trusting and had confidence in our children.

I have to brag and say my 2 sons turned out GREAT and both spent nights at friends houses. Now whether or not it was all due to “luck” or their good decisions, I don’t honestly know.

The media today keeps us all frightened. I know it is hard to temper fright of the unknown with allowing and encouraging our children to have a normal life. However – each time you become a parent you have many problems to deal with. No matter if it was 1900 or 2050.

Just try and make your decisions based on your child’s abilities and the current situation. It will absolutely not work to make blanket decisions for one and all. It also will not work to make every decision based on fear. And with cell phones, many problems are taken care of by a short conversation.

The thing about being a good parent….is that you never really know if you were or not until you see how your children turn out. All we can do is our best in every situation and then you and your children will survive each other and you can look back and feel good about what you did.

Good luck to all of you!

Ann Reed

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